Allen Edmonds Brooks Brothers Chili Chukka Boots 8.5D (Fits narrow. Inside shoe measures 10 3/8" toe to heel. Outside toe to heel measure 12'. Shoe width welt to welt measure 3 3/8". Width edge to edge is 4". These boots are of obvious high quality. They have a feel of a durable and quality boot. Uppers and soles in very good condition. Heel lifts have notable wear (see picture 9) that can easily be fixed. For the price and quality these are a great buy and addition to any wardrobe. Shoe trees not included.