Hi, I am a 63-year-old gay man + I think that Bob Mackie couture + boutique from the '80s from 82 to 89 when he had his own RETAIL LABEL Ll Saks fifth avenue Neiman Marcus Nordstrom's Lily Rubin on and on and on. this is a size 6. when it was made it had off the shoulder little. I don't want to say the word sleeve but it was nothing nice as looking part of the The gown. so I've taken plenty of photos of way that was taken off. the gowns that I have bought over the years were NOT for wearing. I HAD MANNEQUINS WEARING THE GOWNS AFTER YEAR JUST ONE I REALIZED THAT EVERYONE I KNEW HAD SEEN THEM SO THEY ALL GOT PUT INTO NICE QUALITY 100% COTTON GARMENT BAGS AND THEM PLASTIC ON TOP THEY'VE ONLY BEEN TAKEN OUT FOR PHOTOGRAPHING. I NEED TO SAY SAY THAT NOTHING I OWN IS PERFECT NOTHING I have a home health aide. Heather and a friend Alicia and myself + the three of us each took our turn, examine each garment, making sure there were no loose threads and if there were loose threads to see if something was missing. nobody in the 15 years that I've owned this gown nobody has even been allowed to try it on now that it is strapless, I do notice that there are internal straps in the black lining of the gown now. this was in that 1982 to 1989 time. periog basically the more sequins and beads are more it cost. this was top of the line I last sold a nude illusion the one that he had chosen out of all of his design the most specific questions? please ask of course shipping is free. lauren