Purchased these in hopes that they would work for a women's 8.5 size but sadly mistaken. This size is more for a womens 7.5 to 8 so I never got to wear. I had a pair back in the day and completely loved them for comfort and versatility. Tried to take a chance on these as they are so hard to find in this style. Favorite part is the padded around the ankle and broke in feel of this style. Ships quick! Smoke and pet free home.