I bought these for business casual office attire a year ago & never ended up wearing them! I have a few other pairs of Frye's that I love, I tried these on in my house & they are super comfy just ended up not wanting lace ups. They are pure white in person, with a grained/pebbled 100% genuine leather (Frye leather is amazing). My loss is your gain! Womens size 8, fit true to size. brand new, never worn.