The flats are made by life stride, simply comfort. They have a very soft suede like install. I wore them at a tradeshow so I wore these shoes for a total of four days and about 40 hours. There’s still a lot of life left in the shoes they just need to be cleaned. The pumps these are the most comfortable most sturdy pumps I’ve ever owned. I’ve probably had these for about five years and wore them, maybe 20 times they still have a lot of life they have a quarter inch thick suede insole, which really helps with pain when you’re walking they’re very very comfortable shoes. They are 3 inches to 3 1/4 inch in height. I am bundling these two together give me an offer.