We the Free NWT right out of the bag. Brand new. I bought these for my daughter because I owned two pair and love them. She lost weight due to Covid and can’t wear them. These can be worn pulled up with a belt for an Uber paper bag type waist or slouchy. If you want to wear them slouchy then buy this size if you are smaller. These are rigid with no elastin. Button fly, destroyed, light wash. Lying flat the waist is 17 inches. Inseam is 32 inches. *** I’m setting these are an awesome price so please no low Ballers