Such great pants from a great company! I have indestructible haul bags, Goretex hard shell, harness and chalk bags from Black Diamond . I wish that they fit me other wise they would be keepers. I am a small and for some reason they are much larger than I expected. Fits more like 1 whole size up even though the drawstring allows them to stay on my 28 waist. It can work for size small, though it allows for more of a relaxed fit with baggy style that is trendy right now. Message if you need more info. The color is like a deep burgundy. Reposhing this item I purchased from @lm98833. Loved it, but ready to rotate for something new. Questions? Leave a comment below!