Man I have a hard time guessing right on pants sizing when I order from Dovetail! Listing this pair with the measuring tape right up front so hopefully anybody who’s in the same boat I was can see what the actual measurement is on the waist. These are a size 4, and having a 28” waist I ended up needing a size 2 (which is still loose in the waistband but fits well through the thighs and bum, so I wear em with suspenders). They are my favorite pair of pants hands down, I love all the details with the buttons and such.