Bought these 8/3/23 from Hokas website. I loved the Clifton 8’s and I tried to like the Clifton 9’s but it’s just not the same for me. These are USED. They are my old running shoes and don’t look new, I haven’t tried to clean them they would probably look a little better if you wanted to try. According to my running app I ran 88 miles in these, according to google lightweight running shoes tend to last somewhere between 250 and 300 miles. But take that with a grain of salt, I’m not sure what someone’s use would be for these but might be good for someone!