NWT NYDJ Optic White Linen Bermuda Shorts in size 8. Loved then so much I bought 3 pairs. I do not need 3 pairs. NYDJ linen runs big . Very big . I would say this will feel like a 10 bordering on 12. This I bought multiples in multiple sizes. I am also selling a 6 which feels like an 8-10. Non smoking home.